Grenade Launcher issues - can it be limited somehow?

Bahaha you really are so sure of yourself arent you...no my response was not one of confusion and no i did not backpeddle...your so predictable, my original response was posted to solely point out your hypocrisy despite the logic behind it...nothing more, i never asked you anything... seems you didnt quite catch that but i digress, im not going to argue with you further because its evident the type of guy you are, of which i shall resist saying despite feeling the urge to speak my mind.

But yeah anyway...i pretty much agree with most of what your saying in all honesty lol and i admit i got slightly defensive but what do you expect when you come here throwing your views around in such a arrogant insulting manner - if you could only tone it down a bit people would welcome your opinion with open arms. Again, you do make some good points and a lot of sense but i think you already know that

Just out of curiosity what games have you actually worked on?

 

fuckin right i'm full of myself...I have a right to be. I've worked hard to get to where I'm at, and compared to everyone else here, I actually have experience...REAL experience in making games.

battlefield 2, battlefield vietnam, bioshock 2, homefront to name a few. darkness 2 is my current project, but that's single player and most of the shit we will be doing in that game do not apply here.

but let's just put it this way...7 years of working on games, (most of which happen to be first person shooters...) you start to have a knowledge of what will work and what will not work down the road. shit it's the kind of crap we teamup and discuss when we are thinking of shit to add to our games.

never...EVER in the history of all my work experience has anyone even remotely suggested or hinted at., auto aim for multiplayer...EVER. it's sooo left field and so much of a no no, that if I were to suggest it in a meeting, it would get treated as a joke, and we would move on after the laugh.

That's me trying to politely tell you just how bad of an idea auto aim grenade launcher really is.

if you want me to stroke honorcode's ego, let's look at the glass half full picture...most of the other buffs, are ok...

you guys really need thicker skin...

 

some good games in there man but i just gotta point out just because youve worked hard to get where your at doesnt mean you have to act like an arrogant twat lol....plenty of people here including myself are working hard to get to where they wanna be and dont spout out their arrogance over the forums...its all about modesty - it'll get you further.

Also you dont have to tell ME i need thicker skin...if it were up to me id tell you how it is pal but being an MG admin requires a certain amount of subtlety and politeness...something you should think of adopting yourself

This thread is starting to stray off topic though (admittedly im playing a part in that haha) I think it should be closed soon unless someone else has anything usefull to add since the GL's bounty has already been increased to 50 which more or less solves the problem unless anyone wants to take it a step further and remove it completely or continue discussion on the homing tank rock (which i personally dont see as much of a problem...yet anyway but maybe thats because im a fairly high level - i dont know)

 

Well said davzee.

I think the homing grenade is more or a problem than the homing rock. My reasoning is that with a homing rock, probably with bile and an explosion attached, you might get downed, but you can still get up using a med kit or team heal. With the homing grenade you have to sit out as infected for like 30 seconds only to get hit by it again.

Self-serving point - make the homing grenade stronger because I have it unlocked and the rock weaker because I don't have it unlocked, lol jk

 

I would like to add in that increasing the cost of GL to 50 bounty is useful, but if u really want to minimise the heat missile usage from now on, u need to increase its gems cost to 65 also, at the cost of 6 gems, its easy to get as i previously explained before.

or the alternative, since we have players that just cannot understand how magnificient this heat missile ability is, we can put it exclusively just for coop usage, it should be remove from versus then.

Edit: and also, if players are gonna start complaining about mind control rock, i foresee that all players who have this ability will start asking for their 65 gems refund. I would.. seriously. i spend time getting it and if it was remove, any players or customer who actually bought gems to get this mind control rock will start ranting..

 

How about an infected buff called "cold blooded" that makes people immune to heat seeking buffs?

Make it cost like 3000 points or something level 82.

 

But how would this help the low level players? And also i would have to agree with Mr T and Legend on this one. Even though i have both (Heat Missile and the homing rock) myself and i do use them, so now you may think i'm supporting Mr T and Legend and yet i use them myself and the reason is .. Why shouldn't i? Everyone who has those buffs use them but these two buff require no skill what so ever so any noob with these buffs would look good. 50 bounty for GL is still attainable after using one GL, so when the ammo runs out, there are high chances of you having 50 or close to 50 bounty if you know how to use the GL.
P.S I don't mind if these buff stay or not, i just wanted to give my opinion and i'm not gonna go in a big argument like Mr T and Lil Bro.

 

its not an argument, it a debate. and you missed out Davzee lol

whether it stays or not is a BIG issue. i for one expect to get back my 65 gems if MG decides to remove the mind control rock. atleast i can exhange the gems for leveling up

 

Well for one...I'm not an MG admin, so I have nobody to impress or please. I speak my mind and I tell the truth. I'm not polite about it, but then it's most probably because it's the 2nd or third time I've had to say something.

Take the boomer opness about 2 months ago. Maxed out boomer spam absolutely destroys survivors in narrow corridor levels. I politely asked Nine..."so when are boomers going to get nerfed Nine, LOL!" His response was "why do they need to get nerfed?"

It is sooo frustrating trying to talk gaming shop with people who really can't talk the talk. So I had to show him and honorcode. That Saturday I instructed my team to spend their bounty on boomers because mine was maxed out. "JUST BOOMERS GUYS"

About a week of this nonsense, and word spreading like wild fire to spam boomers, and low and behold, honorcode ups the bounty to 30 for a boomer.

Maybe I'm just used to talking to people at work about game balance, and it's almost gotten to the point where we can talk in code. If this mod was our game, all I would have to say to Tom the game designer would be one word..."Tom, man...boomers? seriously?" and he would know already exactly what I was talking about, and why...

So when I come here and I say "Nine, man...boomers? seriously?" and he doesn't know what I'm talking about, nor honorcode for that matter, it's frustrating. THIS IS THEIR MOD. This is the mod I chose to relax and play at the end of the day...They are fucking adding shit recklessly, fucking it up and what's worse is, they do not seem to have a pulse for what's going on in their mod.

 

actually, the boomer exploit started with kirisameakiya and the heat missile exploit started with darkfirehound to be exact, i was there with you Mr T

and the spitter exploit was started by me.. hehe..
the charger exploit was started by seraphi..

and thats the history of how exploitation begins my dear students.
Now, time for pop quiz... student goes WHATTTTTTT..

 

Actually i was never debating the points he made, just how he went about enforcing them, Ive already said i agree with a lot of what he is saying. As cool an idea as it is ive never liked the HGL from day 1, ive never used it and never will use it...a lot of poeple here seem to adopt the mentality "oh its there, might aswel use it" or "hes using it...why shouldnt i?" despite knowing its unfair and at times can be game breaking. Fair enough id expect this of any old noob but the regulars....cmmon lol.

As for the homing tank rock...i dont know if its just me but i really dont see that as a big issue....i rarely get hit with rocks at all and when i do its usually when im already incapped and a tanks trying to kill me while im down...possibly because not a lot of people have the HTR yet?

Yea it makes the noobs look good and the regulars look like noobs, ironic isnt it. 50 bounty is already pretty steep, the average guy wouldnt be able to get 50 bounty again quickly and im guessing someone who could get it relatively quickly would know that a bounty like that would be better spent on more useful things like kits/defibs/molees/viles and pipes. One way to overcome that though would be to increase its price incrementally like the kits and defibs - pretty much ensuring nobodys going to buy it more than once or at the most twice....which is win imo

 

If I remove the grenade launcher completely from only PR Versus, even the spawns on map, then tell me, who is happy?

I have decided that it isn't worth it to mess with the mind controlled rock lol.

 

I actually learned the homing missle expoit watching someone use it correctly on no mercy. But it wasn't you using it. And you didn't have it at the time.

I don't see the spitter as an exploit. I think it's fine as is.

Not sure who I watched using the boomer exploit, but it wasn't one person. It was a team of 2 or 3 that had their boomers maxed out, and again, you were not one of them.

All I did was notice, realize we have a broken ability, and spread the word to anybody who didn't know how to exploit it. Which made the issue for more problematic then only watching a handful of people exploit it with glee...

I've watched you play, I havn't learned anything from you. Considering your hugging of an auto aim feature, I doubt I ever will.

 

I'd be happy. The ability needs to be changed if you really want GL to stay in the game. I liked the suggestion that it's a percentage to auto aim. This at least forces the player using it to aim his shots. And not to just shoot the sky.

If honorcode is clever with his programming he could allow the auto aim feature to lock on if the cross hair is relatively close to an infected...I'd say that's acceptable as well. Allot of FPS actually use this for console based fps ports.

 

and all this while, i have only seen you go RAMBOING, so not much teamplay there i guess.

 

Looks like our brother Mr T is trying to rub shoulder here. huh Mr T, lol, take my hats off you.

I actually like it if you become one of our freelance staff, well you did say your from some game studio, MG can use your skills to improve our gameplay.. hows about that, willing to consider and apply. heck, you can even work hand in hand with choochoo on his custom map or even advise honorcode what abilities is right or wrong... so think about it..

 

of course I watch people play.

we hire playtesters here, and I watch them play. watching how people play your game is fundamental if you wanna learn what's working and what's not working.

the rest of your jibberish is a waste of this thread.

 

I actually came looking for this forum because of the heat seeking GL. It's entirely over powered at finales, especially the DC finally where it's very noticeable. I completely agree with the OP, it needs to either be nerfed or be much harder to obtain (I liked the idea of making the price incremental like medkits).

 

Its already been discuss, we already make the buy menu cost to 50 bounty for getting GL.. We are considering other alternatives too, so have patience.