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Toasters in Co-op

Discussion in '[L4D2] Points Reloaded' started by WhiteTiger225, Jul 6, 2011.

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  1. WhiteTiger225

    WhiteTiger225 Junior Member

    I will be plain and simple on this one.

    When tanks die and toasters drop by the truckload, one annoying high level swinging his melee and running at 100MPH will grab ALL of them. Meanwhile, the low levels who do need them, get nothing, ever.

    When Toaster gets grabbed, have it give its bonus to EVERYONE and to balance this, lower the bonus' some (So instead of 600exp, it is 450)

    This way the high level vultures can continue being... Not nice words... And the low levels can still get some of the loot they helped earn.
     
  2. Collector

    Collector <img src="http://mgftw.com/leadweb.png" />

    what i would suggest is. everything what the tank drops should be devided by the people who are alive.
     
  3. ?????

    ????? Guest

    Its a win or lose thing. You assume that only Low levels need toasters. but that is not entirely true, as a lot of High levels are also gaining from toasters as well. So your arguments are invalid.

    However, a toaster that could share some sort of bounty, exp, or points between other survivors would be nice.

    Only if it's given it to those who do damage to tanks.
     
  4. littlebrother

    littlebrother MG Donor

    Well said fluffy..

    low level wont even survive easily like the high level against a tank or a paranoid tank.. they cant even survive against a swarm of CI and SI in the first place.. and its even harder for low level to survive when they join extreme coop.. i still see level 1 player coming in to play at extreme mode.. and then whining how bullshit the server is.. lol..

    i hope there is a plugin that pops out a message saying you are now playing in extreme mode like our message against farming.. atleast it helps to answer the new players why its so hard to play in extreme server..
     
  5. smokke1982

    smokke1982 Banned

    Like the Fluff-master said..we need them as bad as you do. You know that starting with lvl 128 you need 200k exp to level up? Anyway, that is not the point.
    The point is that most of the High lvls do all the work in killing a tank so yeah, we are vultures but we deserve them more than a lvl 35 that did...or didn't do to much. Do me a favor, and next time after a tank finale look on that list that says "Did most damage to the tank" and let me know how many low lvls are in it. usually it's at least one or 2 persons that are over lvl 100+

    On the other hand, we, the high lvl's are feeding the low levels enough exp through our Charity skill. I for one give 9% of the exp i make to the rest of the team. On extreme co-op that means that during a round i make 12-15k exp on a good day and give up 1000-1500. multiply that by the number of lvl 120+ on the server and you get enough xp.....
     
  6. Edward Marlus

    Edward Marlus Senior Member

    No. I duo that shit by myself and I shouldn't have to share with someone who just wants to steal my shit in the first place.
     
  7. [lol] Yö

    [lol] Yö Junior Member

    What makes low levels think they don't have to go run in swinging on a tank but still get toaster/xp
     
  8. bloodhand

    bloodhand MG Donor

    i see it most time like that : when its a paranoia tank, the low lvl players stay away and avoid the tanks. the few high lvl player fight the tank. then the tank die and all ppl run to get the toasters. so who is faster get the toaster..
    but btw i miss the tank dead fire? why is it disabled?
     
  9. WhiteTiger225

    WhiteTiger225 Junior Member

    So...

    So basically the arguments against such an idea come down to this.

    Low levels cannot do alot of damage, take alot of hits, move as fast, dodge as fast, shoot/reload/swing as fast/ self revive as fast... So in turn, they deserve little to no EXP because the Higher levels do all the work? So what do you propose? Low levels stop playing on the non-extreme servers and play the normal non-modded servers? That seems backwards to me.

    It is bad enough I can melee kill a spitter, and FWOOSH here comes captain level 200 to take the toaster from my kill before I can trudge through the dropped spit. But now he is perfectly right because I am a second class citizen in Laymen's terms on the server?

    The only reason against this idea is a loop logic reason. We are low level so do not do as much damage, Do not do as much damage because we are low level, We are low level because we do not do enough damage.

    And this is not on the extreme server, I checked.
     
  10. bloodhand

    bloodhand MG Donor

    when u played at the non exreme server..
    u can shoot the spitter easily. even on extreme server u can shoot the SI easy.. just with a bit tactic. buy fire ammo ;)
    i never said low lvl player are second class citizen. i said : "who is faster get the toaster" , its ok for me when the low lvl stay away from tank. they die too fast ( not their fault, they are just low lvl ), but when they run to dead tank and try to get toaster and dont get one.. bad luck. all player need toaster, if they lvl 1 or 199 ..
    and back to ur first post.. the high lvl players with charity skill share already 20% of their exp. but i think exp toaster should be affected frim charity skill too.
     
  11. Cocaine

    Cocaine Head Administrator

    Just a liitle suggestion....

    What about to increase the range of the toasters, so they drop not only around the Tank, but also slightly further away. More Players have a chance to get some.....
     
  12. littlebrother

    littlebrother MG Donor

    but then you killed tank so you get the toaster right on the spot..

    why kill tank only to have the toaster fly somewhere off distance and only to be grab by someone who did little to kill tank or did nothing at all..

    @whitetiger.. all the high level were once low level... so you just have to work harder cand climb up the level like we high level did before.. you can buy exp from the store or you can earn them by playing more in the game..

    thats all to it..
     
  13. Cocaine

    Cocaine Head Administrator


    Maybe only the paranoid, cause you can only shoot him , so all players can help to kill.....donno if its possible to code.
     
  14. My idea is this; fling people a certain distance from the tank depending on how much damage done they inflcited on it, with the top players by damage not getting flung so far. That way the ppl who actually kill the tank get the rewards. I'm sick to death of taking down a tank with the help of a couple of high levels and then having to fight off a dozen low levels for my toasters. I appreciate you want the toasters but when I was a low level the tanks used to spawn fire on death so getting toasters from a tank was all but impossible.
     
  15. Nova

    Nova Senior Member

    Well here's what I think.

    Even though I'm convinced I'm one of the highest DPS dealers on the tank, I don't rush for the toasters, or maybe once every 20 times, because it drops near me. That being said, here are some facts to think about:

    1. The toaster is a minor reward on the spot for the lucky person who gets it. Or the lucky people.
    2. There is a global reward, the gem. I'd rather get a gem than the toasters.
    3. The toaster from the tank still makes people prefer the toasters over helping incapped teammates.
     
  16. [lol] Yö

    [lol] Yö Junior Member

    A multitoaster is the 'Major' guaranteed reward a tank drops. 1 toaster could 'save' you 10+hours of gameplay, aka this is not minor.
    That global reward is so random, days go by without a gem.
    Nope, infact you can't even pickup the toasters when there's a lot of incapped people around the dead tank.
     
  17. vishus puss

    vishus puss MG Donor

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  19. August

    August MG Donor

    I think the insta kill/super high damage fire was removed because even though it was there lots of retards (Including myself) would rush in and try to get the toasters and in the end half the team will die because of the fire..

    I think the toaster drop system is fine as it is now. Whoever rushes to it first, gets it first. Flinging the player OR toaster would not be good because on finale maps like No Mercy the toaster/person can fall down the building.. No matter what you do to try and delay the toaster-whoring there will always be someone who gets most/all of it. Reward sharing wouldn't be good as that way, players can level up fast even without picking up toasters (Which are supposed to be helpful items you find), and how do you share a level up toaster?

    The system may be pretty unfair, but you snooze, you lose. (So far) there are no good solutions so I don't think it should be changed. Picking up toasters depends on luck as well so just play often and you' re bound to get some of that toaster.
     
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