USA Helm's Deep Suggestions/observations

So, finally i had time to enjoy some HD action and fill up on the enhancement stones. Now, i have some observations/suggestions:

M-60 MG

I think there was a thread about it, started by Ice-Pick. Like he said, i still thing that the M-60 should have more ammo. 250 rounds are ok, but when you are in a confined space, with 2-3 tanks, one of which is Red and full of..rage, going for ammo is not a top priority. Today i was flying through the HD throne room like a goddamn canary.

SUGGESTION

Either to increase the belt size or make it re-loadable(as in if you run out of ammo you don't loose it like it happens now). As an ex-army, and army brat, i have fired both M60 and the PK-13, the Russian counterpart and, believe me, 250 bullets go very fast, even in RL

TANK toaster drop

OBSERVATION

Ooki...this is a situation that can become really annoying. On the second part of the HD map you run up the stairs to the keep to defend the gates. Well, tanks keep coming up the looong staircase and through the side entrance and die as they reach the battlements (that if you still have the gates intact)
Now, you all know they drop toasters, so some players(*cough, cough...you know who )...stay there and as soon as the tank dies, the vultures jump for the toaster. Lately more and more players (guilty...I've done it also) just sit up there and leave the gates with only 1-3 ppl to defend them. And they wonder why they die

SUGGESTION

My recommendation is that whatever high lvl toaster they pick while camping up there be shared with the rest of the team(i really don't care that much about green or red toasters to be honest). You pick up a lvl up toaster, then all players alive should lvl up. you pick up a 5xp-1point/4 seconds, then all should benefit. Otherwise you will see 10-12 ppl hanging out by the battlements entrance rushing for a toaster and only one or 2 defending the gates...and then you pretty much die

My 2 Cents

 

OK so basically more ammo for M60 and upon tank death the fire that spawns is insta-kill.

 

If it is instant kill then how will people pick up the toasters and if people have to wait for the fire or acid to disappear then don't you think they will just stand around the dead tank waiting for the fire to go so they can all pounce on the toaster? The longer they will wait, the longer they will leave other team members vulnerable.

 

I don't think the insta-kill is a good idea.

+ what Raised said.
+ I mean, when there are 3 tanks in the throne room, and unfortunately or not, we kill all 3 tanks at the same time or almost, at three different places, that pretty much covers up half the hall with instant death zones, and a lot will die, too many in fact.

I don't really get why people go after the toasters from these tanks on HD, all they drop are normal toasters that aren't even worth going for...

I think the biggest reason people avoid defending the gate is because... smokers have 5km long tongues, and choke every single one of us at the first wall, and if someone was on top, they'd fall and die (experienced).
I really don't mind the gate breaking... just spices things a bit more

 

Kind of, on the ammo part and an explosion similar to the boomer when the tank dies. That would catapult the toaster way up and away, hence no reason for some players to stick around. If the explosion is strong enough to kill whoever is near (10-15 feet should do it) the better.

This is only for the battlements side entrance area. Come on, you don't even have to fight the tanks there, they die as soon as they get on the battlements and have a toaster waiting. Today there were a lot of 5xp-1p/4 second toasters out there...

 

The M60 ammo we tried earlier and it doenst work, its bugged

 

Well Joerve the max is 250 without working the bug out. refillable M60 is just makin much of the zombies anyway and if everyone finds a m60 it doesn't take long to kill a tank.

On the subject of 5xp and 1 point toaster thing giving it to all the players that are alive is kinda defeating the purpose of WORKING for your upgrades because someone or everyone that gets that would just stay ion the server untill they was kicked or the server restarted. so no bad idea people would farm it forever. Also the people that rush out there to get the toaster at the gate are putting themselves in harms way and they should be defibed for going out there anyway.

Tank toaster drop,
Well a explosion like from the boomer to knock the toaster out of the way would be good but still people would / will go jumping for it regardless. I seen a lvl up toaster and between 4 - 5 5xp - 1 point / evry 4 seconds last night in just 3 hours iof playing the people that get those toasters will farm it because it isn't taken away once the round restarts they have to leave or the server has to be restarted for them to lose that.

Level Up Toasters,
You know them, you love them, but it isn't a good idea to give everyone living or dead regardless of which a lvl up because then the problem comes back again about everyone leveling up to fast and then a rollback happens and everyones pissed off.

Anyway my thoughts on what I've seen and experienced.

 

On the same note, I am sick and tired to see ppl farming for toasters. Today, under the pretense that "we are trying to defib someone dead on the bottom of the long stairs" 8-9 people were just sitting around, while 4 of us were trying to protect the gates. End result? gates were lost before the time to retreat came and we almost lost the event.

On the other hand now, another annoying thing is Bloodhand-something's constant toaster farming. He's either in front,alone most of the times or way behind. he was on multiple occasions just sitting behind a tank waiting for the toaster drop, or just rushing a tank, alone. Guess what Bloodhand, constantly saving your ass is becoming a nuisance. It's just a loss of health and time to save you when in-capped.

I recommend that ppl kicked off for toaster farming be banned for 24h

 

The last round of HD I played, we we did quite well, and most of us made it to the end. I was pretty proud of the team. You can't really blame people for not defending the gate, just tell them to come and explain why, if not, then what can you do? votekick 70% of your team for not wanting or understanding that you need to defend the gate?

For the 2nd note, toasters are a feature in the PR mod, how can you ban someone for wanting to get a toaster? Yeah, okay, it sucks that guy just rushes for a toaster and wants all the toasters on the map, but we can't really ban him for playing the mod to it's fullest.
If he's causing trouble to team, then just let him die and don't save him, rant a little bit, and call for an admin if things get out of hand.

Greed may be one of the 7 sins of Purgatory, but it's not a bannable offense.

 

Well I know that theyve changed the helms deep around. I haven't been on it to experience the new change. I know the toaster situation is annoying. Im glad they disabled toaster dropping, but here is my solutuion.

My Suggestions:

Toaster Solution

So there is only so many enchancement stones you need till they dont mean much any more, unless you have plans that we dont know now about yet. Instead of a stone, or I don't know how you would want to do it, keep the stone or not. You could have around like 32:30:00 at the end, have two premium vending machines spawn by Gandalf. Then everyone gets toasters, no one complains about people hunting for toasters, or not getting toasters, people would be happy.


Or you could do a random prize at the end of each round, a vending machine, a stone, gems... etc Just some ideas.


Experience:

I am sad to say I hear that the zombue EXP. was dropped to 1xp. Maybe thats for the best, but the majority of people that play on that server are high levels and 1xp is not much of incentive to get on and play there. Maybe we could do 5xp and no bonus to increase it. Im just afraid that people will not get on now since the EXP is so low.