level limitation on PR VS servers (mainly USA PR VS)

Today i got to play with a few (by a few i mean 4) low level players on USA PR VS server. I think it was the sacrifice map, the elevator part. Well, one good spit from what i think was a maxed out spitter on the other team and those low levels were in-capped outside the elevator...multiply that by 2 boomers and another maxed out spitter and the result is that the whole team died in the elevator.And the worse part is that there are quite a few maps where a scenario like that is completly plausible

My question is, can you, at least limit the lvl on the USA PR server. let's say lvl 50 and up? I don't mean no offense to any low level players, but many don't know what to do and when you tell them they start bitching and therefore the result is usually a !votekick for that player. have them play on CoOp or make a server just for lvl 1-50. it's becoming frustrating that you can't even go 25% of the way and you die or you can't start a mission because of the low lvl being stuck/in-capped.

Other suggestion would be to lock the safe house after you start. Again, many low lvl go back to heal just because they lost 20-30 hp and then again you can't start an event because the SI pick on those that go back for a med-kit (that should be considered team killing)

 

The noobs need to go

Im tired of the same scenario. It just ruins the fun for everyone. One team has a noob, and events cannot start without them.

 

Discussed here...
http://mgftw.com/showthread.php/4022-Do-we-need-another-EU-PR-server

All I'm gonna say to the OP is, we were all noobs once, so cut them some slack :/.
When I started off, I didn't know shoving someone could remove a smoker's tongue.

And low level doesn't necessarily mean noob. I see level 100+ that I will always call a noob because of their poor gameplay. To shamelessly say a name, is that Wanted guy, over 110 I believe. All he thinks about is himself. The last time I tried to help him up during the mercy rooftop finale, he was crawling and the zombies were running for him. I killed the zombies quick (I was one of the last 2 standing, so we were close to losing), and started helping him up... then another zombie came and hit him. I mean he could have shot the stupid zombie with his magnum, and he would have been revived. But no, he didn't and just waited like a snob and I got killed.

Bloody idiot.

 

similar problems here. Today on Dead center, second map there were 2 n00bs (lvl 15 and 16 i think) that were just sitting in the spit, in a doorway doing absolutely nothing except blocking the doorway for the rest of the team behind them..heavy spit+ 3 people being blocked = 5 incapped, inlcuding the n00bs..figures....

Playing with them, i feel more and more that limiting access to a server to people under a certain lvl is the best idea. Play on COOP till you get the hang of it and then come to versus....

 

This is no way to treat a fellow player who just got to know MG and its Marvelous mod call PR.
You guys should be guiding these noobs not tell them to find a server that suits them most.

like ice said, we were all once noob, theres no such thing as being pro here instantenously unless your honorcode of course, he can mess around both the infecteds and survivor at will. Dont't u wonder why they just sit on the spit, probably they dont even have crawl buff dude.

so teach your fellow players how to play. if you got no mic, type it out then..

 

Well f*cking said that man!

 

I have to disapprove of Smoke's suggestions... I've also played with you and you can be a complete jerk at times - almost as bad as playing with a n00b... just because someone is a low level does not make them a newbie to the game - everyone (who didn't buy their levels...) starts at that point, of course their upgrades, etc will suck for the time being.

That being said, if MG added a new server I'd be happy to see one with a lvl requirement. As it stands, with a very small number of servers available - not a good idea.

 

This is a team playing game Tyler, so you are forced to play it as a team. I do remember playing with you, and i also remember a few things like :

• you,rushing several times before the CP was loaded which lead to some of your teammates being killed and you being kicked
• you,not listening to what teammates tell you which landed both you and them killed

lt me give you a few examples of things that happened the last few times i've played:

a guy, coolman12 something, low level: we spend about 2 maps telling him what and how to play on a PR VS map. On hard rain-first map the guys ignores us telling him to wait for CP to load and rushes which leads to him and a few players that were just loaded and were picking up meeles next to the water being bitchslapped/charged into the water

Dark carnival, last map, we had 2 low level mains. We make it out into the arena and what do they do? We tell them: leave the Grenade launcher to somebody that has the heat seeking missile buff. Do they listen? Nooo...they both climb the tower, get the GL and randomly start shooting grenades. and they sit up there...and they sit...and here comes a boomer that bitchslappes the shit out of them. The result? they die and leave us without 2 mains in the first qurter of the game.

or did i mention that most of the low levels go back to the safe-room as soon as they get a bit of damage to heal which pretty much forces the team either to stay with them till they heal or leave them behind? on maps like hard rain-second map or no mercy you can't start an event till everybody is in the elevator. I saw whole 5 player teams incapped in the elevator because one or 2 ppl got incapped in the back. I personally made a record of 235 bounty by incapping 6 ppl in the elevator as a spiter while a n00b was taking his sweet time going back to the safe-room to heal. Of course he didn't make it.

So tell me Tyler, how many times did you go back to help a low level incapped player? Playing with you, i must say i haven't seen you do that to often. How many times did your team-mates died bailing your ass out because 2-3 hits from a charger/boomer/jokey incapped you?

i might be a jerk sometimes, but who wouldn't be when either someone doesn't do what he/she's told what to/not to do or deliberately leaves himself exposed because he doesn't want to lose health just because the elevator is covered in spit although all his team-mates are there?

My suggestion was this: until a player gets the hang of it have it.play on co-op. infected are not that strong there, people tend to help you. Or on a lvl 1-50 versus server for example. this way not all the abilites of the SI are maxed and a new player that just starts can't be bitchslapped to death in the first 5 minutes of the game and be "wtf just happened to me?" for the rest of the round.

 

It's the team's responsibility for each mate's survival. It's not because they're low level that they're complete dumbshits. You can't expect people to be uber pro like you the first time they play.

I understand your frustration, but as much as it sucks to say it, the team is only as good as the worst player on it.

I personally believe that learning the hard way ASAP is the best discipline. So if those low levels get raped since the start, either they get better and bolder and listen more, or they leave. Whichever the outcome, it's only for the best, but they can't understand all the mechanics of the PR gameplay the first time they play.

 

Smoke, you can make up all the things you want but it still doesn't change your attitude. Calm down on the curse words in game and keep the language to friendly why don't you? I don't know how many times you've said the F-Word at people... That and don't bark so many order at people - who made you King? Especially like when you're wrong like:

• "Tyler! Don't kill him now he has a first aid kit!" After I picked a Hunter and watched the Charger that first incap'd the survivor and got killed due to the use of the guy's first aid then I pounced on him knowing he didn't have one - then you chimed in... unnecessary...
• The time I was on a platform and you kept yelling at me to get down because a jockey would get me. I don't need you yelling at me - I've never been jockeyed from there before and didn't that round either. Simply offer the advice.

Since we're looking for specific servers, I wouldn't mind a "No Jerks Server."

 

Let's see

Tyler

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[USA][VAIL][CO]SmOkKe
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level difference between us is about 82, if i am not mistaking and rank...well, let's not go there. So that pretty much means i have an idea of what I am doing...while you....nevermind

First, FWY i wasn't yelling. For some reason my audio settings for steam does not save settings and it always keeps mic level to max. sometimes i forget to adjust it directly from Steam, so when I talk, it's max volume...it happens. It's not yelling.
As for

you know some people have bounty....you do get that playing the game. As i recall it you died that round, because the guy that you pounced already bought a second medkit. Simple math: 1 medkit for the charger and one for the hunter, that makes 2. One dead Charger+ one dead hunter makes also 2 SI killed with medkits. My warning was not in vain...but NVM, you will say I am wrong. It's easier to say i made it up rather admitting you effed up

Last but not least, just because you were not jockeyed that time doesn't mean it's safe? maybe you were not a main...maybe the SI considered you are not worth it. it's all strategy...who knows....

Yeah, i talk a lot of F word, I am impulsive, so are a lot of other players, good players. Ask Scott Pilgrim about how we go at it every time we are on the same server, Or Scrubtastic, Dox...it's all fun and games.

Nobody made me king and you are the only one that considers them orders. the others think of them as suggestions.. you can say whatever you want now mate, i just say...get where i am and then we'll talk....


anyway, you made me troll away from the point of the thread...so i will stop here....

Back on the subject, I would love to agree with you Ice, but the problem is they don't listen.See Tyler for example. He is against a lvl limitation because that way he won't be able to sit back and relax while the high lvl take on a tank or some other hard to kill SI, just to have him run past them and grab the toaster. Gosh darn it, Tyler, I haven't forgotten you preferred to go toaster picking while 2-3 ppl were in-capped on the ground a few feet from you.

With most of the ppl i play with on USA it's pretty much, "you screw up because you don't listen to the rest, you get votekicked." I have never proposed a vote kick just because he's low lvl (for example REV or PAR something....they are low lvl but he never got kicked out, they play for the team). I did propose for vote kick rushers, team-switchers, etc

P.S: you still haven't answered my questions Tyler....would you like me to repeat them?

 

Ok, just so that we're on the RIGHT page here... the guy had just got out of the safe room while EVERYONE else on his team was out in the concert area. He would have more than likely had 0 bounty. I KILLED him, you were wrong, I even said so during the game, and proceeded back into the concert area to pounce on another survivor.

 

Dude, you're trolling. All i wanted were some arguments that prove me wrong. instead all you gave me was some more trolling. I asked you 2 questions in my first post aimed towards you and I still am waiting for an answer. Instead you come and...troll...

 

The answer is simple....

The chances of having a level limitation server is very low and it may not be feasible.

WHY??

1. low level players level up faster than high level players.
2. We have to do another coding which will take sometime to do or not at all as the modders have other special projects for PR mod.
3. if we do have such a server, then we need to buy more server to cater not only to people in the usa but also in brazil, hongkong, europe and australia.
4. That means we need more donations and people buying our products to serve such a purpose.
5. We can actually use the capital that we have to buy better server for our players like the one we just recently bought for australia.

Solution:

1. Be more gracious in game and not be a snub.
2. nobody likes taking order from a dictator. i personally don't. if you have to say it, say it nicely, if you can't, then don't say at all.. (i myself sometime have issues with scott pilgrim, he tends to potray himself as a pro like i remember him telling people that he is tier 1 level in gaming skills for PR mod, i was like wtf.. i just smack him and his team hands down just the other day. and now hes telling people that he is tier 1.. wth is this, medal of honor suddenly. theres no such thing as being pro in PR mod, if your high level enough, and you have a good team, your team can take down any high level players even if they have the heat missle buff. )
3. theres is always the votekick option people... if you don't want to be votekick, buy our package or become a donor..
4. its a game, and games are always frustrating and especially for this one that requires maturity level of 18 years old and above to play, so just move on people..

 

USA sounds like a terrible place... glad I usually play on EU. lol
I don't really have too many problems, just those usual farmers when everyone is waiting. I understand low levels go for toasters a lot too, I don't really care though either, I mean it sucks, but that's how it is.

Either way, I don't mind playing with low levels. Most of the times I'm with one, I bait the SI and have the newbie help me, he gets his EXP and levels up faster, and I don't care because I have maxed upgrades/skills and buffs.

But... that's on COOP though, versus is another story, but still globally the same thing, for example: if I'm pouncing a survivor in the back, and he got left behind, I tell a newbie to stay next to me, because I know that guy's got a knife. So when I die, the newbie goes in for the kill, gets his EXP, and he's happy. It gives them confidence, and shows they're actually able to do something at low levels, and not just get bossed around by lvl 100s.

 

I had a great time playing on EU last night! Everyone was really nice and there was some great if not epic teamwork to be seen.

 

The problem here, is there is a significant difference between a noob, and a new player to the server. A noob may be hanging by the back, constantly getting smoked, stopping at choke points along the map, taking forever to get into the elevator, not using their pistol/magnum for ground cover when you are trying to pick them up, and many other things that hurt the team. But, many times a new player, or a low level player, is many times not a noob.

All of us started at Level 1 at some point, and there are low level players that know what they're doing. You can't use just their level as a litmus test for whether someone is a noob or clueless. Additionally, some of the newer players, while lower level, came from other servers, and some know what they're doing. Some of us who have only been on the server a few months or less, came from much more competitive servers in terms of the overall skill level of the players on the server, but of course started out at Level 1. I know more than a few people that at level 20 were much more skilled and stronger players than people at level 70 on the server.

While I agree it sucks when someone IS in fact a clueless noob (regardless of level), the problem is you can't use level as the deciding factor. Additionally, many people wouldn't even play on MG servers if they were forced into playing co-op rather than versus for the first 50 levels and such.

 

I AGREE!!!

I was playing in AUS vs server, one team was made up of low levels like 1-30 levels and the other team have atleast 4 high level players from 40-70 levels and they had an extra player more than the low level team.

The low level team team single handedly pawn the high level team in the last 2 chapters and even won the sacrifice campaign finale.. i was like WOW, this is truely an EPIC match between David vs goliath..

if your asking where was i, i was just spectating and enjoying a CLASSIC match..

 

i agree with what you are saying and i am not arguing it, but think of this. Lower lvls mean lower skills. Here's an example: Fire damage. You can't set/blow anything on fire because you need lvl 50 for unstoppable. i had one or 2 teamkills a few days ago because i set a room on fire, trying to kill some invisible jockeys and 2 of the ppl in the room were lvl 14 something. End result? someone tried to vote-kick me for that

Or friendly fire. Try to shoot a jockey off the head of a low lvl player. unfortunately he takes damage aas well as the jockey, because not everybody upgraded iron skin. Or try to shoot the tongue off a teammate- same problem...

How many of us were in a saferoom shooting blindly through the door, and sometimes you see "player xxx was incapped by [team-mate]"

Or,running through a horde, slashing wildly at zombies and your team-mates by accident....

 

Haha, yeah... I almost got votekicked too for the same molotov business. But you're a donor so you don't really need to care.

We just need to deal with being with lower levels dude. Don't forget PR just brings us special powers, we can't forget that lower levels are learning too, and going up in the skills. I always see people incapping each other or killing each other...

Heck the other day, there was a low level with a horde of zombies on him... I shot all the zombies down to help him break free (had the military precision rifle - black sniper), shot them all down except for the last. I missed the shot and put the bullet in the guy's head instead, and he died.

And then I frowned and said sorry.

But there's not much I could do about it, it was just too bad, and well hopefully it'll encourage him to go check the survivor skills and upgrades to see if the can reduce friendly fire. Once they find out, it's all good and part of their growing in levels.
It's basically the same story with getting the noobs to buy the team upgrades to give more health to the ppl they help up and such...