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Extreme COOP complaints

Discussion in '[L4D2] Points Reloaded' started by Pessego, Oct 9, 2011.

  1. Pessego

    Pessego Guest

    So, I've been playing COOP, and, I would like to point out some things that are starting to get annoying for most players.

    Team Kill/Incap penalties
    : C'mon, these are just absurd, and I think most players agree with me in this.
    Most times is not even on purpose, you throw one innocent molly and then you end up losing up to 5000xp, not to mention points. Hey, 5000xp, no biggy for high lvls, but if you're as lucky as I am, you'll end up losing 20k a day just with these penalties.
    So, my sugestion is, if you guys want to keep these on Extreme COOP servers, either you lower the penalties or you restrict players who are below lvl 50 (That's when you get the fire immunity thing) from Extreme COOP servers.

    Extreme not being Extreme anymore: What's with that, a couple of weeks back, on a good map, I would easily kill 400 CI (No Farming), now, I struggle to reach 100 CI kills. Oh, and btw, you can melee paranoia tanks now?!? What's the difference between regular tanks and paranoia ones then? Pretty colors?

    That would be all, I just want the good old Extreme COOP back :(, where you constantly had 100 zombies harassing you, and, don't get me wrong, I don't mind having low lvl players playing with me on Extreme Servers, but it's hard to cope with that with these penalties.
     
  2. joerve

    joerve Senior Member

    When I read your post I get the idea your saying its harder to farm now.
     
  3. Stefeman

    Stefeman Head Administrator Staff Member

    Well, increasing CI health even more would solve the problem temporary, as they would be harder to kill and that way able to gather around lonely surviors and take him down by numbers.
     
  4. TJ

    TJ MG Donor

    Lately, I've had the same complaints as Pessego (and I'm level 199/200 so no big reason for me to farm). The molys are the best weapon on coop extreme, so it would make sense that if you play coop extreme, you should have fire immunity. Honestly, when I read that a person got incapped by my moly, the first thing that comes to mind is, "why are you playing coop extreme if you're not immune to fire?" If you go on LA coop ext. or EU coop ext., all you see is molys being thrown. As for the difficulty, I do also feel it's not as hard as I remember. There are times when I go through an entire map without being incapped at all. I remember a time when finales had to be restarted over and over and over again. That doesn't seem to happen anymore. And the tanks are definitely not as hard anymore. A regular tank gets killed in 5-10 seconds, and a paranoid barely kills anyone these days....
     
  5. Hazemberg

    Hazemberg Senior Member

    Isn't a good thing? :)

    Anyway, what's the chance to a regular Tank becomes a Paranoia? I think it should increase to 80%. And remove the melee damage.
     
  6. Hazemberg

    Hazemberg Senior Member

    How about that event when you can only kill the CI with headshots?
     
  7. HonorCode

    HonorCode Head Administrator Staff Member

    You gotta be a bit more polite, you hurt my feelings :(. We always work hard, never enough, time to commit suicide!
     
  8. Hazemberg

    Hazemberg Senior Member

    Look at the bright side, at least it's not Smokke talking.
     
  9. Pessego

    Pessego Guest

    Well, I'm sorry If I hurt your feelings, it was never my intention to do so:love2:.

    I was just hoping both players and administration could reach an understanding that would make the two parts happy.
     
  10. HonorCode

    HonorCode Head Administrator Staff Member

    Don't worry, it was just a joke :). I'll implement some changes to make the extreme coop servers... extreme :P.
     
  11. Chocobo

    Chocobo <span style="color:#66CD00">Moderator</span>

    I'll give it a day after you do this before you see tons of people complaining on the forums that expert is too hard
     
  12. smokke1982

    smokke1982 Banned


    Haz....now you hurt my feelings!!! I didn't say anything cause i'm at work...but anyway, let them Bitch and moan..the name of the server is "EXTREME CO-OP" if i recall corectly. It's not supposed to be noob ...pardon me, i ment Low lvl friendly. If they wanna play with the big boys they better step up their game instead of complaining about the difficulty.
     
  13. Hazemberg

    Hazemberg Senior Member

    LOL jk i luv ya
     
  14. Anenome

    Anenome Junior Member

    So, I notice that all of your coop servers are lvl 50 minimum now.

    Gee, great.

    For one thing--I am lvl 40 now--I only want to play coop. You're forcing me to play versus to hit lvl 50 to go back to coop, the one thing I want to play. I might as well say F it and go play someone else's server, as you're forcing on me to level to 50 through a game type I don't enjoy as much. I can only imagine how long it would take a new player to hit 50 on versus, just to play coop? That's not reasonable.

    I understand the complaint about incapping people not fire-immune, but I don't think such an onerous level cap on coop is the way to go about solving it. Anyone looking for a coop experience purely is going to look elsewhere.

    Rather than putting a huge level requirement on all of the coop servers, why not, I dunno, lower the damn fire-immune requirement??? Why does it have to be level 50?

    Even WITH the lvl 50 requirement, you still have no guarantee that the people playing are going to be fire immune, so you have not achieved your purpose.

    Drop the level requirement to buy fire immunity to level 5, not 50!, then remove the lvl 50 coop requirement, and all will be well.

    Just makes me so sad that you were my go to server practically every day for weeks now, and now I'm locked out entirely. At the very least, leave the LA Extreme server with the level cap and allow the other coop servers to have no level cap. What sense does it make to turn away all newcomers to your coop servers?
     
  15. Pessego

    Pessego Guest

    You can always play on normal COOP servers, which are more suited to your lvl.
     
  16. Anenome

    Anenome Junior Member

    Sorry, I was unable to play on ANY coop servers earlier today.

    Seems it was when they were making the change, because a few min ago, unfortunately after I'd posted, I was able to get into a normal coop game.

    However, this morning I was unable to get into any of them. So, issue resolved, apparently.
     
  17. smokke1982

    smokke1982 Banned

    aaa....I have played with you last night for a bit....and you are an ok player. Unfortunately you can't hold your own on Extreme...that is why there is REGULAR COOP. I won't start enunciating all the Regular COOP thingyes cause i can't remember them properly.

    But i will point out a few things regarding the other 2 server types that will happen when you join them:
    • EXTREME - Molly Spamming due to high number of CI/SI. I for one don't have any problems incapping/killing you or any other lowbies. If i have to choose between getting incapped by a jock by not throwing a molly just to save you or any other newbie and molly spamming to kill the jock, i would choose the latter, even if that means you have to die. Hey, there are plenty of spawn places till the saferoom. You will be left behind to die if necessary.
    • VERSUS - well..last time i checked you were lvl 30 something? YOu are what I call a "spiter farming Point (SFP). Low health, low speed, low damage, low everything...on a no mercy map, you would bring me about 15-20 bounty, about 100-250 experience and 20-30 points with me as a spiter and so forth....
    There was a thread where i posted why lowlies shouldn't be on Versus.....find it and it will show you my reasons...i am to lazy to type again....
     
  18. Why not put a system that can recognize people who has unnostopable lvl 1 , if he/she doesn
     
  19. jtork

    jtork Senior Member

    make Versus min level 20 or even 40 ... hate to start with -15 bounty LOL
     
  20. smokke1982

    smokke1982 Banned

    so...I was on Extreme CoOp a while ago...My thought "yaay..lvl 50+, increased difficulty,no lowbies...." Imagine my surprise, when after 15 minutes of playing on Dark Carnival I was at -10 bounty and lost a few hundred points and XP....yaayyy....Why you ask? CAuse Andrew, Cowfish and another lvl 10 can't take fire damage....geezzz Louissss!!!!!

    Again, as i usually say..you gave into the crying of the lowbies. Extreme COOP has become "I R NOOB FRIENDLY COOP". I don't get it...We had Helms Deep, but you took it away cause it turned into a Farming point for High lvls, I understand and won't comment on it...not my place nor my right.

    But please answer this: WHAT SHOULD WE DO, SO THE LVL100+ HAVE A SERVER JUST FOR US? No Lowbies, No Newbies,NO AMATEURS, JUST VETERANS AND PRO'S...All you can Kill and more zombies (I wouldn't mind doing the same mission 3-4 times cause we couldn't kill the boss tank or whatever)