New features in point reloaded create more disadvantages for new/low level players

Hi admins,

I have played both l4d1 and l4d2 and if you still remember me "LiTtlebrother", i have play in marvelous server for a long time. and some of you admins may still remember playing with me mostly in l4d1. i was recommended for admin position once in l4d1 but i did not take it up since there were enough good admins in l4d1.

ok.. back to topic.. now i am addicted to l4d2 eversince you guys started the mod for points reloaded. Too bad for me i did not notice this mod earlier on or else i will be level 100 a month ago.

My point is marvelous server is getting popular especially with the points reloaded mod and i can see why. But for players who just notice the server and just started playing in points reloaded, this might be a nightmare for them and being lower level players, you can get killed within a minute or so. So thats where the team switching start to go crazy.

the lower levels would switch to the winning team and i can guess why they did that, they need to get points to buy their upgrades, skills and etc and they could not do so by constantly dying so fast as their current team that are made of players with low levels or not high level enough to gain access to all the skills and upgrades that the other team has, usually the other team consist of stacked team meaning their players are mostly way high levels.

Even with teamscramble made available, 95% of the time, the winning team would say no leading to alot of the lower levels or new players switching to the winning team and only to get votekick as the winning team did not want these lower level players and leaving the opponent team with more bots and more losing.

the winning team would argue that they have lower level players too. but if you have play in this server for a long time like me, you will not fall for that reason as players like nerfarious, tbuki, nine, darkfirehound, zkayani and many more, they are all actually high level players and some of them have reached level 100 a long time ago but they level down playing the supreme lottery to get gems for special abilities.

to make things worse, when these high level players do get their special buff, upgrades or skills with the gems they got, they still get to KEEP THEIR PREVIOUS SKILLS AND UPGRADES that would only by right be available if you reach a certain level and has the points to buy it.

So these so called lower level players are even more powerful than before, and new players dont stand a chance. even a high level player like me dont stand a chance against a homing grenade launcher as an infected.

honorcode did a trememendous job with this mod by creating new features made available in the game but its more of an advantage for older players that have played points reloaded for a long time and some of the bugs fixed came way too late for new players and players like me. for example a boomer cost 30 now when it was only 5 points a month ago. so even if i was high level trying to help the team that is made mostly of genuine low level players. my team would still not win or even make it to saferoom. so they either switch or leave the game.

Recommendation:
1. I hope honorcode could do something like if players do gamble in supreme lottery and when they level down, abilities that is not according to their level should be taken away to compensate for the special abilities that these players are going to get in the near future. otherwise it just seems unfair.

2. if it can be done, teamscramble should also be balanced according to the players level, i have played many times where if teamscramble was succesful, the high level players get switched to the same team and and some of the players switch back giving reason that they were previously from the winning team and no intention to play in the losing team or their friend is in that team and etc. so whats the point of team scramble then. please do take note of the high level players that have level down as these players are not actually low level players. i did come across a feature where players could not switch back to thier original team but it seems the feature is no longer available.

Appeal:
I geniunely like to help the lower level players win when im on their team but i cannot do so now with all these new features and changes in the game which create more advantages for the older players than the new players. please do remember that experience in game counts for new players in becoming a loyal player for marvelous gaming just like how i was hooked by marvelous server in l4d1.

I dont usually participate in forum but i had to do this as the game is leading in favour of keeping old players than attracting new players.

 

There is one advantage for lower level players though; they do level up a lot quicker even when only doing moderately well against higher ranked players. Killing a level 80 infected can be 40 times more valuable than killing a lower level player or bot. If people can look after them, the newcomers will prosper quite quick, and will be self-reviving, crawling and Angry Fireballing in no time. Just don't abandon them guys.

 

This coming from a player who have have repeatedly caught team stacking? And sadly I can't even police you any more as you have vote kick immunity...And what did you do, littlebrother...when I clearly called you on team stacking? Yeah, you went into temper tantrum mode, asked the infected to not kill you, on no merci rooftops, so you could stay in the safe room and not allow the rest of the team to even start the event.

My recommendation?

Do not let donner's abuse the system to stack the teams with impunity. team stacking is incredibly out of hand on this server. there should be a points penalty or some sort of cost or a de level for team switching.

Actually screw the penalty. If you want team stacking to be a thing of the past then anybody who is team switching from the lower scoring team to the higher scoring team no longer gets points or experience for the duration of that map. MAP. not ROUND.

Team switching solved.

 

Thats actually a pretty damn good idea to be honest, id like to see that.

Hey littlebrother

While i agree it can be a bit difficult for the newer players at times it is quite true what L said.....they do level up A LOT faster, also they have the option of doing what i personally did, along with quite a few other peeps, they can play on the PR coop servers to level up a bit so when they do go to the vs server they wont get owned.

Also the removing of skills/upgrades when you level down playing the supreme lottery is a bad idea in my opinion, i mean you can level down about 50 levels just trying to get 10-20+ gems so that would mean losing LOADS of the skills/upgrades which can take quite a while to attain.

Its funny about the team stacking thing....unless its mainly in the USA servers or just generally when im not on....but i dont see it THAT often and when i do i force scramble at the beginning of a new campaign which usually solves it.

I was playing last night and after the second round there was a1000 point difference in the scores, however someone voted a scramble and it was successful (for a change) which resulted in 3 or 4 higher leveled players (myself included) being swapped to the opposing team....we ended up catching up and winning by a good 500 points or so anyway my point being vote scramble does actually work when some of the winning team mans up and votes yes but yea in all fairness sometimes even when a vote scrambles successful it still doesnt balance the teams.

 

lol.. Mr T, always trying to be the good guy when he is not.
you were once permannently ban for team killing this month, so speak for yourself Mr T.
for your information in that particular game, i switch to help your team win since you guys keep on losing.

but Mr T keeps babbling with vulgarity to ask me to go back during and after i helped them won that round. so i had my reasons for doing that and i admit it was wrong but it was no excuse for Mr T to keep using vulgarity at me after helping his team win. In fact Mr T likes to stack team too, i wonder why he never mentioned it

As always, Mr T tends to digress the topic of discussion.
My thread is to improve the game system for new/low level players but Mr T recommendation will only allow him to votekick players who switch to his stack of powerful players and keeps farming the losing team from start till end.. and players grow tired of it and they leave the game midway and leaving more bots in the opposite team in which players like Mr T do not like to help balance the other team.

Unlike Mr T, i like to help the losing the team, you can ask players like scar kingpro and soviet cruisers, i switch to their team of only 2 human players. imagine that, 2 vs 10, no way they can win. in fact they call for scramble vote but it was unsuccesssful. so i switch to help them.

this is why votekick immunity is necessary. i am glad there is one as this helps to keep the selfish players like
Mr T at bay.

i am here not to brag about myself but as a donor i hope that the l4d2 marvelous gaming community will be fun for both new and old players like myself.

but it seems to comfort the older players more and hopefully honorcode could use my recommendation if its possible.

and this is what my thread is ABOUT. improving the game play and not have some players like Mr T coming here to badmouth other players for action in which himself does it too. so not cool Mr T. you need to learn forum etiquette.

 

While I agree that there are quite a few ways to improve the whole team stacking and team switching idea, how about we go for one of the simpler methods? Instead of needing at least 51% of votes, lower it to maybe 25% votes needed to scramble teams. I'm not sure if you can do that but it would help by a wide margin. While on the topic of team stacking though, yes. Mr. T as well as others like Mutated Oreo, [TLS] Hunter The Butcher, and a few more prefer to beat the living crap out of a team so they get 70 exploration points total instead of scrambling the teams to make it even slightly fair. I won't deny that I prefer to win, but I don't like winning with quad-digits while the other team got double-digits on a map. As for the losing skills when leveled down? Bad idea. After spending the time to level up and get the skills in the first place, you shouldn't be forced to be lowered after leveling down to get the new currency.

 

Disabling the upgrades is not good for me
Im lvl 59 now...
No need to up again my lvl 96 for all upgrade on...
The only wave for win gems is suprem lotery ... And lost points XP or Level... :/

 

OMG it's littlebrother! I remember you from waaaaay back.

Back to the thread: just play on Coop servers.

 

...coop server -.-
Up to lvl 96 is hard :/
A lot of players is same to me ...
They have used the level for win gems ... I think fail is lvl 10 ,Koopa lvl 20...

 

Also on the Co-Op servers, all the com infected are level 1. Despite having every upgrade available. Make them level 100 or whatever the highest level is for the max upgrade. I mean really, a level 1 boomer (50 exp) making my screen completely black, doing 80 damage when it explodes and puts spit down to knock me down the rest of my health? It doesn't add up the difficulty vs the reward. I mean sure, that brings in the attraction for the Versus servers, but it's one of the main flaws for your level-up suggestion.

 

The SI are low levels because lets face it....on coop their easy as fk to kill (except for the tank obviously) and if you think otherwise your doing something wrong. If we were to make them level 100 and gain more exp from killing them people would level up way too fast. The way i see it, it should be a lot slower leveling up in the coop server compared to the vs server since its so much easier. People gain enough points/exp from toasters alone on the coop servers...especially when a tank falls and leaves behind blue toasters.

Edit: Also your sigs take up LOADS of space....i hope your not gunna create a new achievement or w/e they are for every 10 levels you gain in PR servers =\ by the time you reach level 50 one post would take up an entire forum page....

 

like others have said, there needs to be another way to win gems if you lock abilities use to level.

I would also like to add that 9 out of ten times, the player swapping teams isn't doing it for some noble reason as to "play with friends" or the like. So I don't see an issue with putting in a punishment for trying to swap teams.

This server is going to get really boring after you max out your abilities playing in round after round of scores of 3000 - 300.

It's boring on either end of the score spectrum to be honest.

 

I have to admit this post is kind of ignorant and it irritates me slightly, once one max's out their abilities how is the server any different from playing on say berzerker or vicious? except with all your cool abilities and the buy menu ofcourse...people dont stop playing there do they...? if you find it boring dont play there simple as that but i see a lot of level 100 players and others who have lost loads of levels to gain gems, people who are coming close to maxing out their powers STILL playing on the server.....and often.

Sure no1 likes to see scores like 3000-300 at least i dont anway i much prefer a challenge which im sure many people will agree with me on but if the teams are that unbalanced thats what scrambles for.

All that being said i think its safe to say more skills/upgrades/buffs will be added aswel as more levels, possibly even prestiges (like CoD where your level will be reset to gain a higher prestige) so it will be a good while before anyone TRUELY maxes out their abilities.

 

Maybe i was exaggerating a bit by saying ive seen a lot of level 100 players but i thought it was more than 9 or 10.....i thought it was more around the 20 mark but yea im not really sure to be honest either way though my point still stands.....the server obviously doesnt all of a sudden become boring to them since their still playing on it

 

Well i cant see the problem so far. i seen lots of lvl 30 but level 100? not that many im lvl 93 atm. and i never found the server boring (I can play up to 5 hours a day on the server) and i been playing on the server in 4 weeks i think? (Yea i know i got to much time) and everybody have been lvl 1 aswell so it have been the same difficulty for everybody.

 

Because at it's core, Davzee, it's a farming server. With players out not to play, but to FARM. It's a different mentality all together.

Ever play battlegrounds on warcraft?

A player on this server, doesn't give a rat's ass about the score, team helping, or the like. They care first and foremost about farming to max out their profile's points. Which means that their incentive to team stack is greater, as it serves the purprose not for competition, but again, for farming.

Which then means that scores of 3000-300 are going to be more prevailant, as instead of mere competition, they serve a purpose.

It's pretty obvious, don't you think?

Adding more abilities would also be a mistake. Right now it's already getting a bit overwhelming, and it's gameplay becoming ridiculous compared to how virsus is originally played. Gems, points, bounty, experience...skills, buffs, upgrades, special upgrades...

Beyond the fact that in itself is a bit much to explain to new players, it's in your benefit to actually HAVE an end game, so that those who achieve it, log into the server to actually...PLAY...and compete...and not farm.

And I can't believe you actually think the scramble option...works. Team stacking is one of the biggest issues this server has.

Do you know how many times I've seen the scramble option voted down? Or how many times I've seen 10 players beat up on 5?

Because this is a farming server, what incentive is there for someone on the stacked team to vote yes to a scramble?

 

I have seen people really close to it. I also hear lots of complaints from players that people use the RapidMath hack or whatever.